The Contemporary Relevance Of 2 and 3 John

Among my favorite books of the Bible (largely because they are so obscure) are the two books of 2 and 3 John. Between them they take up a page (or two) in most Bibles, and are among the “Western 5” or “Deuterocanonical” books whose status was long disputed, in part because of the limited distribution and late date of writing of these books of the Bible (which include 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude, and Revelation, the last of which is the only famous member of this collection of works). 2 and 3 John together form a pair that speaks to relevant present concerns of the Church of God, and therefore it would be worthwhile to examine them a little bit today.

What quirks and common threads do 2 and 3 John possess? That is the point of this note, to mention these issues briefly so that those who are curious can consult other commentaries to go into greater depth if they so desire. Let us look at the quirks of 2 and 3 John, the complementary warnings they give, and what those warnings give to us. First, though, let us give a brief summary of these books for those who are not aware of them to any great degree. 2 John is a short letter written to an “elect lady” some of whose children are faithful in following God’s commandments. It is a letter which speaks harshly against supporting unrighteous or heretical ministry, something about which much can be said. 3 John is an equally short letter written to one Gaius, a local member of some means who was commanded by John to resist a tyrannical local minister who refused to be hospitable to a traveling missionary because he was concerned about his own power base in the local congregation, a matter John promised to deal with personally. Both of these books are extremely relevant to our present times.

The books are, not surprisingly, a bit quirky. In 2 John, there are a lot of questions one would like to know about the books that we do not know. For example, who is the elect lady? Is she a woman with literal children? Is she a congregation? Is she both: a woman who hosted a congregation in her home? We do not know. Who are her children? Are they literal children of a mother, or metaphorical children of brethren of a given congregation? Or both? We do not know. Who is her “elect sister” spoken of at the end of the letter? Is she a literal sister, a sister in Christ, or a fellow congregation of believers, or some combination of them? Again, we do not know. The fact that John calls himself “the elder,” rather than bragging about his titles, suggests that he was not interested in bragging about or even drawing attention to his position and rank, itself a very rare trait among leaders. But there is much about the short letter of 2 John that we do not know, as much as we would wish to know.

Besides the similar thematic concerns, and the small size of both letters, there is another striking similarity between 2 and 3 John, and that is the commentary made about the fact that John has a lot to say but does not wish to write it down but rather talk about it face to face. It would appear that John wrote that which was needful for us to understand on pen and paper, that we could apply to our own times and our own situations, while discussing that which was private face to face, both to avoid gossiping as well as to deal with it in such a manner as it could not be easily misunderstood. We must also take into account that John probably wrote the letters by hand when he was a somewhat old man, possibly arthritic, and not at all predisposed to write lengthy letters as he may have been in his youth. Perhaps he, unlike Paul, did not (or could not) hire secretaries like Tertius, the scribe of Romans, to write for him.

Let us now turn to the complementary warnings that John gives us in 2 and 3 John so that we may be able to take heed to that warning for ourselves. The warning of 2 John is a chilling one. Let us first examine 2 John :7-11: “For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourself, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.”

In context John is dealing with a specific heresy that denied that Christ came (and died) in the flesh, but instead believed that only the man died, and not the “god” that was in the man. This heresy, called Docetism, was a prominent doctrine in certain Gnostic circles. Additionally, John is refusing fellowship with those who do not hold to biblical standards of morality. While John is dealing with a specific heresy in mind here in 2 John, there are lessons that can be drawn out in a larger context. If a preacher is either corrupt or heretical, one is not to show hospitality to them, not to even greet them (by saying “Shalom,” or peace be to you, since one cannot wish the peace of those who are in rebellion against God without sharing in their sins). In a larger sense, this means that those who support wicked or corrupt leaders themselves share in the sins of those leaders. We will be judged by the leaders we support with our fellowship, our friendship, and our tithes and offerings. If they are evil, we will be judged as evil along with them.

We see a complementary lesson from 3 John, when we look at 3 John :5-12: “Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the brethren and for strangers, who have borne witness of your love before the church. If you send them forward on their journey in a manner worthy of God, you do well, because they went forth for His name sake, taking nothing from the Gentiles. We therefore ought to receive such, that we may become fellow workers for the truth. I wrote to the church, but Diotrophes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God. Demetrius has a good testimony from all, and from the truth itself. And we also bear witness, and you know our witness is true.”

Here we see a complementary point to 2 John. Just as 2 John shows us that if we support wicked leaders we share in their evil, 3 John tells us that if we support godly leaders, we share in their work too. Whomever we support with our hospitality, our fellowship, and our tithes and offerings, we support their work, whether it is good or bad, and we will be held accountable by God as if we were doing those deeds ourselves that are done by those leaders we follow. Additionally, 3 John gives us clues on what kind of leaders are likely to be wicked by their refusal to accept the authority of others outside of themselves or their ‘party’, as well as by their willingness to reject those who come on behalf of those over them, and their use of disfellowshipping brethren as a political weapon against others. Those who practice such behaviors show themselves, like Diotrophes, to be tyrannical and wicked leaders, who will receive divine condemnation for their actions if they do not repent of their abusive behaviors.

What relevance does this have for us? A lot. For one, we must remember that God holds us accountable for the leaders we support. If we maintain close friendships with those who are heretical or wicked leaders, if we support their wickedness with our financial support, our hospitality, or our patronage, we will be judged as following in the deeds done by those wicked leaders. Likewise, if we support godly leaders, we will be blessed for sharing in the work that they do. We cannot escape the responsibility for our support of what our leaders do–we will be judged not only by the company that we keep, but by whose authority we accept and which leaders we follow, support, or endorse. That puts a heavy responsibility on all of us to make sure we choose wisely, and not follow wicked shepherds into destruction and judgment. Additionally, we are given the sound warning that abusive leaders will typically abuse those under them and rebel against any authority above them–when we see such leaders we are given the divine mandate by 3 John to openly oppose their actions and expose their evil character.

In light of the warnings that 2 and 3 John give us about the need to support godly leaders even when there is opposition from corrupt local ministry and to refuse any connection with false and heretical leaders, we ought to take seriously the message of 2 and 3 John. We ought to thoroughly desire all of those in error to repent (just as others ought to desire our repentance when we are in error, rather than desiring our destruction), but we must keep our hands clean from supporting wicked leaders, for we will be judged by those whom we follow and accept as our leadership, and those whom we grant hospitality to, or even extend the hand of friendship. Let us therefore be very careful about the company we keep and the organizations we support, so that we may avoid judgment for the wickedness their leaders engage in.

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28 Responses to The Contemporary Relevance Of 2 and 3 John

  1. camustein says:

    Interesting, and now I wonder what this has to do with voting for a corrupt politician, especially now that in these times it is comic relief to show a politician corrupt. I once heard that a man shouted out to a certain politician and said something like, “all of you guys just speak lies, and the one who tells the best lies is the one who gets voted in, this has to stop now” and the politician replied and said, : I guess that guy doesn’t appreciate the democratic process”.

    What does this say to us, are we merely voting to instal pathetic liars and are we going to be judged because we vote? This is veery confusing to me as all politics are.

    • I’m not sure what the context of this relevance is to politics. I would suggest if you vote for a corrupt politician while holding your nose because he is less corrupt and evil than the other guys, you’re really not showing full and enthusiastic support of him. But if you did actively campaign for him and genuinely thought him to be a wonderful fellow, it might suggest you lack moral discernment. My focus was on religious (as opposed to political) leaders because with religious leaders salvation is involved. But if you believed in redeeming or saving the world through political action, whether one was a social gospel or a dominionist, then your support of political leaders could very well involve the principles of 2 John. It is my understanding that mere voting would not necessarily signify the sort of support that John is talking about, especially if it is done with serious reservations and a desire to choose the lesser of the evils. So long as one recognizes evil, one is not supporting it.

  2. luzer says:

    RE: “I’m not sure what the context of this relevance is to politics”.

    This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    RE: “I would suggest if you vote for a corrupt politician while holding your nose because he is less corrupt and evil than the other guys, you’re really not showing full and enthusiastic support of him”.

    John is refusing fellowship with those who do not hold to biblical standards of morality. (bold face lying?)

    RE: “My focus was on religious (as opposed to political) leaders because with religious leaders salvation is involved”.

    In a larger sense, this means that those who support wicked or corrupt leaders themselves share in the sins of those leaders. (who voted for Bush Jr.?)

    RE: “But if you believed in redeeming or saving the world through political action, whether one was a social gospel or a dominionist, then your support of political leaders could very well involve the principles of 2 John”.

    We will be judged by the leaders we support with our fellowship, our friendship, and our tithes and offerings. If they are evil, we will be judged as evil along with them.
    (moral and financial support by the vote?).

    RE: “It is my understanding that mere voting would not necessarily signify the sort of support that John is talking about, especially if it is done with serious reservations and a desire to choose the lesser of the evils”.

    He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God. 3 John 5:12
    (there is no grey areas with love, either one has the capacity to love or one does not, therefore, no degrees of evil, either something or someone is evil or not evil)

    RE; “So long as one recognizes evil, one is not supporting it”.

    And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt. 18:3

    Conclusion: Children do not recognize evil thus “cannot” support it. What we recognize is what we choose to pay attention to and it is this that we give power.

    This is not a slight against what you are saying nor am I trying to one up on you, it is merely my observation and personal opinion in response to the what the world demands of me, a child.
    You are doing a great job at what you do, you make people think, this, is needed in this modern world. Two thumbs up.

    • John says literally not to fellowship with those who transgress–in other words, if someone is flagrantly violating standards of morality they are not to be counted as brethren. In your questions about politics, I assumed you meant that as someone standing in a voting booth choosing between one crook and another one, trying to balance which of the two were the lesser of the evils, one would not be engaging in this sort of behavior. I do not consider politicians, no matter their party, as my brothers. I feel ambivalent at best about those politicians I end up voting for. There are some (not you or I) who would consider them brethren, who would not merely think of politicians as necessary evils given our society’s structure, but rather as a positive good to help regenerate and renew our nation. For those people, and not for the ordinary one whose involvement in politics is simply to vote, this warning would be very serious. To consider yourself the brother of those who are heretical and corrupt is a very serious matter (we must remember as well that the ancient Romans required tax paying, something Christianity also requires, and that paying taxes did not in any way signify support of a heathen and tyrannical regime, merely doing one’s minimum civic duty). I would think voting would be more of a civic duty rather than an action that signifies the sort of support that John is condemning here–nonetheless, as I concede, it is a tricky matter.

      If we vote out of the lesser of two evils, we do not love either of them, and therefore we do not violate the command to love only those of God, and not love “the world.” This is why I believe, personally, that merely voting would not be an endorsement of the evil of our present world, since it can be done (and is often done) without any sense of “love.” About it–you are quite right there. But I’m a bit puzzled about children recognizing evil. Children can recognize evil very well–they can tell when someone is a “bad” person because of the evil they do. Their understanding is more intuitive than intellectual, usually, but it is no less a recognition of good and evil. We can recognize something without giving it power. We do not necessarily have to dwell on it, or ruminate on it, but we are told to “note” those who cause dissension and evil and to avoid their company. To note something (or notice something) is to recognize it, and then to take appropriate action, but not to let it profoundly affect us so that we give it power beyond its negligible worth. We must be careful, as far as we can, to be precise about what we say and what we mean.

  3. luzer says:

    “Their understanding is more intuitive”

    Exactly my point, intuition could be understood as all physical senses working together to asist a person to decide or not to decide, as for a child, if a child senses or intuits evil, a child turns and runs from it, and has nothing at all to do with it.

    I cannot be sure of many things but I believe we are to pray for our leaders (political and religious) to have a change of heart and stand up for and be the integrity of the people. We react and respond to what they report and stand for, (if we pay attention) If a person votes knowing that what is promoted as truth but is lies, we are allowing the lies to be our hope. Perhaps if no-one voted govenment might vote among themsevles and truely be responsable for the outcome themselves. We pay taxes for services and not for support of luxury lifestyles of the not so popular. I am a carpenter and I build houses and they are leaders and so I stand aside and let them lead. How they choose to lead is of their concern, and whosoever votes for them is a part of their decisions, how I build a house is of my concern and the houses that I build are level plumb and square for the best part else they would not pass inspection and be habitable.

    RE; “We must be careful, as far as we can, to be precise about what we say and what we mean”

    Take litterally what one likes and infer (intuit) what one can. If someone replys to this post and says that what i spew is “out of context”, my response would be that the entire world is “out of context”, and I know for a certainty that I would not be alone in this thought. My hope is in God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, whatever and or whomever they are,(faith), and not in politics, science, or religion. I pay my taxes but have never voted on any matter of men and never will.

    “Scholastic learning and polemical divinity retarded the growth of all true knowledge”.
    David Hume

    “Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered: let them also that hate Him flee before Him.”
    Psalm 68:1

    • I wish it could be so simple that government voted for themselves if the people did not vote for them. On the contrary, what has happened throughout history is that when people were apathetic because of corrupt government, their lack of interest in government led even more corrupt and evil men to take power because there was no one to stop them–everyone was so cynical that there was no ability to tell the difference between degrees of evil. Let us note as well that while God does consider all sin evil, that even the Bible itself shows some kind of degrees of evil–see for example 1 John 5:14-17, which talks about some sins not leading to death, while some do, signifying a distinguishing between the two. We must be concerned about how leaders lead–we pray for their conversion and spiritual well-being so that they may be godly and not tyrants. And in voting we have even more responsibility for leaders. Indeed, the world is out of context, but we ought to help and not hurt that. After all, I wish for others to take my words in context as well, a favor that is frequently asked and seldom granted.

  4. luzer says:

    So what do we learn from history then? Do Not Let Yourself Become Apathetic. How? If the houses that I build do not pass inspection I do not get paid.

    Take a look at what our Canadian government is busying themselves with.

    OTTAWA – Opposition parties say Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s office has gone too far with hyper-partisan attacks, and it’s time to apologize and play fair.
    Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff demanded Thursday that Harper say sorry for a Conservative party email circulated by the Prime Minister’s Office that depicted one of the country’s top bankers as a shill for the Liberal party. Published on Febuary 12th, 2010
    The Canadian Press

    It sounds like something that happens in our high schools between teenaged girls and boys, even more the first part sounds like children in a sandbox.

    I have a question and it is. Could, politics be referred to as some sort of “civilized war”? If yes, then I supply to my own government, “all is fair in love and war”, grow up, get over it, and get on the real problems of society, and, for the religious leaders to do the same because there is the same kind of childish behavior among them as well. Like “my Dad (God) is bigger than your Dad”, when there is only One Father

    The sin that leads to death to which John referred is the sin of rejecting the Lord’s Gift of Grace in favor of Gnosticism.

    Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” Gen. 32:28

    Didn’t Jacob contend with God (seeking sacred secrets), and wrestle with an angel until he prevailed and the angel blessed him? You might have to forgive and pray for me on this one but wouldn’t just “accepting” something be a type of apathy as it denotes a giving in or giving up a fight or a cause?

    Apathy is still rampant in today’s world and so is narcissism, but where they meet and in combination they flourish is in politics and religion and although very difficult, are two meals that I try to avoid eating very much of.

    Like I mentioned that you “make people think”, this lack of thinking ability might very well be the biggest problem of our fine world.

    • I don’t know what divine secrets that Jacob was seeking, if any, though God had given him a dream of angelic transportation between heaven and earth that the disciple Nathanael (also known as Bartholomew) ruminated on later on just before becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. That said, Jacob refused to give up until God blessed him, and so God gave him a new name, Israel, to replace his rather unflattering name of Jacob (a name which is very common in my family–I have both an uncle and a late grandfather with that name).

      I have ruminated often on the partisan political attacks that are going on in both Canada and the United States as well as other countries. It is my concern (especially in the United States were there are really only two options for voting) that a decline in civility has led to a branding of anyone who is capable or interested in bridging chasms as being weak, and an encouragement of shrill and petulant extremists on both sides to take office, making it impossible to mediate between the two extremes, neither of which I really like. I tend to be a passionately moderate person myself. It is my understanding of the Bible (for example), as well as of political philosophy (a subject of which I am very fond) that there are often two ideals in tension that must be combined for there to be a just state. In politics we have freedom and equality, which requires both that we respect others and that others respect us–so that there is a mutual relationship. If we have equality but no freedom we have some kind of totalitarian socialist state, and if we have freedom and no equality we have a libertarian state of nature where only the strong survive and everyone else is oppressed by the rich and powerful. Both of those states are dystopian nightmares.

      Likewise, in the Bible, we have issues like law and grace, where law provides order and justice and grace provides mercy and forgiveness. Not merely apathetic tolerance, but a reconciliation of sinners to those they have wronged, where the hatchets are buried and where old grievances are allowed to die rather than being continually brought up and inflamed. It would seem as if our society tends to support counterfeit virtues like tolerance, a “you do your thing I’ll do mine” that leads to a lack of interest in others, a lack of sensitivity to what others are doing or feeling, and a corresponding lack of interest or ability in any kind of cooperative or joint action with others. This leads to a more atomistic, lonely society (about which I ruminate often, being a person prone to deep feelings of loneliness), written of in such books as “bowling alone,” a decline in asabiya and social cohesion, and ultimately in a society that lacks the will to defend itself from the corruption that threatens it from within and the hostility that comes from without.

      In that light, I would consider my own willingness to hold my nose and vote for the worst of the evils as a very short-term tactical move. That reality has led me to think more about long term repercussions, including the need to develop godly leaders at all levels of society (starting with the family and community and congregation) whose godliness is clear, and who can be supported as a “positive good” rather than a “lesser of the evils.” We are a long way away from having leaders who are competent and morally upright (I think of leaders like Abraham Lincoln, for example–I don’t know what Canadian leaders would fit the bill, but I suspect they are from a while ago, decades at least). I’m not sure we have enough time to reverse the downward spiral, or a critical mass of people who are motivated enough to do something about it, but I believe we are bound by duty and honor to try our best, to pray the dinosaur’s prayer, and to receive such strength outside of ourselves as we need to accomplish our task, if that be God’s will.

  5. luzer says:

    Nathan, I feel very sad that anyone is confused or misled into believing in something that is not real. It must be understood where a person lives within the paradigm of “us and them”, loneliness is for a surety the result as we may always be searching for like-minded ones, or that particular “one” who always agrees with us on all matters. As a child of God, I am directed to look into the eyes of all people whom I meet up with to determine if I should engage or not. Both science and religion report and strive to make us believe that we are all connected and originate from one source. What helps me avoid being a part of any scientific or religious argument is that I accept that we are all family, a human family.

    This might sound like I don’t know what, but I am never lonely because whenever I go out in public and meet up with an older person and engage in conversation, my paradigm is that I am engaging my own flesh and blood grandmother or grandfather. It is the same with little children as I perceive them to be my little brothers and sisters, the adults are my equal brothers and sisters, we have only one Father and our mother is the same.

    Is this delusional on my part or is it sincerity of heart. I can never be sure of many things except what allows me to move about independently and spontaneously and without adverse fear or suspicion is in fact what is real to me as I sense it, and this makes perfect sense to why I should continue in this (delusion). If I am to be misled, then I will be misled, by God, and not man, as I have always been suspicious of that which is outside of myself (absurd notions). God is within and also His Kingdom. (faith and hope)

    When Jacob was renamed Israel, he became once again and then for all eternity a spiritual entity and for this we can say El-is-ra-el, which is to say that God – is to be – the mystery of – man.

    Infer what you can and take literal what you want to.

    • Jacob lived and died as a fleshly human, and though he will certainly live again, he sleeps in the grave with the rest of the saints awaiting his resurrection into eternal life, where he will reign as a prince with God, and live up to his name. I don’t expect to find people who agree with me in everything, but rather I am a lonely person because I am very subterranean, a builder of elaborate cave cities who finds the deep and complicated recesses of my heart and mind very difficult to share with others, and finds the complexity of my own heart tends to make it more difficult to relate to other people than I would if I were a less deep and complicated person. Melancholy rivers run deep.

  6. luzer says:

    Again I am not slighting you personally, I realize that jacob lived and died a fleshly human but aren’t we suppose to conform (change into-transmutate) to the spirit (essence) of God and become imitators of Christ? To get to the point of where I feel that I am in this regard I have had to humble myself to the point of believing that EVERYONE, is more intelligent, deep, spiritual, rich, than I could ever be. My point was that this served me well to avoid feeling lonely. As for melencholy, this is a form of depression that all humans “need” to experience from time to time but not to get lost in. If we could not de-press, we would supernova. This modern world dictates that we should be happy “all the time”, this is another lie, and it violates the second law of thermodynamics if there is any truth to thermodynamics. All of life cycles and so the second law of thermodynamics is the same as work-rest-work-rest, and is again the same as excited-depressed-excited-depressed.

    Doesn’t it say somewhere in scripture that we are to “not be too sad and not be too happy, and we are to find a balancing of the two (equilibrium). A cycling of the second law would satisfy this.

    I have to go shopping for groceries now and I will meet up with many of my human family and some of them I will engage and some i will not, however I will not be too happy or too sad at meeting up with them and or departing from them.

    • luzer says:

      P.S. there are only so many things that we can do and have a gift of doing, mine is that I seem to have a knack for assisting people with anxieety and depression and it is this that I am more concerned with than myself.

      • That is very true. We are given only enough gifts that we can develop over the course of a lifetime. There is too much that needs to be done for anyone to do it all. Rather, we are each given a small garden plot and told to tend it, and to be a blessing to those whom we come across through the course of our lives. We all have different ways of doing this.

    • We don’t become imitators of Christ by leaving behind the physical (for this would be a gnostic and heretical sort of mystical union with Christ that the Bible condemns). Rather, Christ lives in us through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and through obedience to God we become a new creation, a spiritual fetus that will be born into life eternal at the return of Jesus Christ. I agree that the world is deceived that we should be happy all the time. I personally believe that different people have different moods that are their “normal” state. For example, I find great enjoyment in time spent with friends enjoying fine conversation, or the company of an excellent book, or even a satisfying time of thoughtful meditation and musing. I also tend to naturally (without a great deal of effort) tend to be sensitive to people who are outsiders, giving them encouragement and friendly company. But I would say that my predominant natural state is that of melancholy–not simply because of depression, but because I’m a person of deep rumination. Moreso than most I ponder long and hard about things–it is rumination that keeps the engine of my mind active. I was created for that purpose and it would be foolish to deny it; one simply has to know how to keep one’s mind in a state where it is not overwhelmed by the negative, and where one can see the bigger picture at work.

  7. luzer says:

    “We don’t become imitators of Christ by leaving behind the physical (for this would be a gnostic and heretical sort of mystical union with Christ that the Bible condemns)”

    I will take this as good advice, and leave such matters to those more informed about such things than I will ever be. I will press on with my first concern, and that is; assisting people with emotional problems that have resulted from all of the lies and deceit that is prevalent in regards to your own statement, “one simply has to know how to keep one’s mind in a state where it is not overwhelmed by the negative, and where one can see the bigger picture at work”.

    There too many people who “are” negatively affected and who may never be able to “see the big picture”. I am just a concerned parent and someone who tripped or stumbled upon something that has made a profound and radical change in me for what appears to be the better. Idf it is true and in line with God’s plan then it will find its way to where it is needed most, if not, then I should in time realize that it was all meant only for me to find relief from what it was that was plaguing me for so many years. For this, I am very thankful.

    • That is a wise realization. I think that such help as we find in our lives from the troubles that plague us deserve to be shared. At the very least we can make sparks to shine in the darkness this world is covered in. As for whether it is true or not, part of a larger truth, can only be said looking in hindsight. We see through a glass darkly, and in time we hope to be seen and see the universe and all that is in it for what it truly is. But while we conduct our lives here, we should at least light some torches to help others who are stumbling in the darkness if we, by the grace of God, find some light in our own lives. And I think you do this very well.

  8. luzer says:

    must be something wrong with video itself I cvouldn’t get up to loud and thought it was my compuiter

  9. luzer says:

    If you had sound before you should have sound now, it wasn’t my comp it was something with yotube

    • I have one computer with sound that doesn’t like you tube, and the computer I use is having some problems right now with a sound driver but once those are fixed it will be fine with youtube.

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